AN UNEDITED CONVERSATION BETWEEN FRAUD FLOYD WEBB AND 5TH DAN OF THE BDFS JOHNF CREEDEN III

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John "Bob Dias" Creeden IIII am not naming anyone. Did it happen or not? Did you wuss out on another fight and kiss ass like you did with Dux? Since you asking for sources I guess it did happen, "Danteist."Creeden, you coward, are you threatening my son under the name Bob Dias? That is reason enough for me to come to Fall River and kick your ass just for the thought you silly-ass, you wimp. But I don't need to, you have enough problems and I believe this is why people always want to kick your stupid ass and watch you back down. Bob Rebello will wipe the floor with your ass and you know it. He is right there, if you were going to do anything you would have already. Bob Dias to=lonehitman@yahoo.com is already in the Judge Wolf's files, you nitwit. is identified as YOU you, nitwit.You got no reach Creeden, you continue to be delusional. Where my son is he is well looked after and has no reason to fear the likes of you. Don't ever let me see you in person dude, ever. I will take an ass whipping just to smash your punk face for that last one, for even imagining you could casually threaten my son's life, even in jest. You really don't know me Creeden. You have a nice day and stick to playing with little boys and running away. You have never played a man's game anyway. You keep digging that hole Creeden, you are making your own life hell. I wash my hands of you and your illness. Karma will catch up with you, and Karma is really a bitch.Floyd Webb
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, bob dias


lonehitman@yahoo.com> wrote:


Q.
By the way, I have it on good authority from my FAll River source that Creeden got caught up in another altercation last week and almost got his ass beat and he backed down and got all ass kissy. Why does this keep happening to this guy?

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Name who and when did this happen Floyd. And name your source in Fall River. And how about those filing dates Floyd. You know Floyd that your bullshit is running out..

Lets see if your son get out of France alive, well thats what my sources are telling me Floyd. I know about Joe Rebello and Michael Antunes their beatings are coming really soon.

Your stupid you dont know the origins of the dragons your so stupid and ignorant and my movie is way better than yours.

DAVID KILI A NO SHOW TO COME TO FALL RIVER AND FIGHT LIKE FRANK DUX AND FRAUD

THIS IS AN EMAIL I SENT DAVID KILI HES A FRAUD.

You know KILI you so fraudulent your funny now. I'm going to send you this email then Its going up on my blog....ok When are you coming to Fall River fraud...and Dux lets not forget about him....hahahahaha


Q. You have to show up for that!
A. You never showed up january 9th neither and I can prove that. I had someone their watching if you and Floyd webb showed up and neither of you didnt....frauds

Q.Dante`ists??? Oh yeah, the hairdressing side of the Dante` system.

A. Its the Dante system of Fighting... Something you dont do FIGHT and neither does Dux....

Q.He is. He has quite the collection from Billy. About 3000 if I remember correctly.

A. Really Kili the 50,000 dollars Floyd webb spent on lawyers 3000 does even cover plane fair.... Whos the scmucks now KILI dont worry you and Dux will be doing the same shortly..

Q. We bluffed!?!?!When did that happen?When you said you would fight Floyd the sightly over weight "Film Maker" with no Martial Arts experience and then didn't show up?Maybe it was when Dux called you ladies and you were so F***ing scared on the phone to even say anything to him it was like pulling teeth to get you to say "hello", and that is ALL you said to him.Or... Maybe is was when you called Barron and he verbally bitch slapped you and told you he was coming to beat the shit out of you if you talk any more shit about him?

A. This is how you bluffed you never shown up for nothing, a fight a sanctioned fight, you cant prove your a pro...

Q. And I stand behind every word!They are piss poor examples of humanity.Your mama, your daddy, Creeden Jr., Creeden III, your teacher, Billy, Billy's dad, and your credentials.Did I miss anything?Hey, that reminds me. If Creeden II and Aguiar II were such dumb ass, loser ass, shit headed idiots. Why would you make Creeden/Aguiar III?

A. their the real guy unlike you and Dux, and Sky benson all fraud and losers just like Lawrence day

Q.You do know that all that information you are posting is not me right, douche bag.
A. The only DAVID KILI in the whole U.S.A. is you douche bag...Heres your tax evasion records

CIVIL RECORD VERIFICATION: CONFIRM CASE # 200205248353 AT THE COURT HOUSEDefendant: Kili, David J Case Number: 200205248353Filing Type: Federal Tax Lien - Income Entity Type: Individual RecordFiling Date: 20050912 Amount Liability: $11,539.00Address: 304 Irene St City: TaftState: Ca Zip: 93268Plaintiff: Usa Irs Court Code: Ca096Court Name: Kern County, Bakersfield Recorders Office Unlawful Detainer: N


CIVIL RECORD VERIFICATION: CONFIRM CASE # 9912331 AT THE COURT HOUSEDefendant: Kili, David J Case Number: 9912331Filing Type: Chapter 7 Filing (New) Entity Type: Individual RecordFiling Date: 19990316 Address: 304 Irene StCity: Taft State: CaZip: 93268 Attorney: Information UnavailableAssets Available: N Court Code: Cafref1Court Name: California Fed Court-Fresno Judge Initials: BdbAction Type: Bankruptcy


CIVIL RECORD VERIFICATION: CONFIRM CASE # 9912331 AT THE COURT HOUSEDefendant: Kili, David J Case Number: 9912331Filing Type: Chapter 7 Discharge Entity Type: Individual RecordFiling Date: 19990316 Address: 304 Irene StCity: Taft State: CaZip: 93268 Attorney: Information UnavailableAssets Available: N Court Code: Cafref1Court Name: California Fed Court-Fresno Judge Initials: BdbAction Type: Bankruptcy


CIVIL RECORD VERIFICATION: CONFIRM CASE # 200320040257813 AT THE COURT HOUSEDefendant: Kili, David J Case Number: 200320040257813Filing Type: State Tax Lien - Income Entity Type: Individual RecordFiling Date: 20041116 Amount Liability: $4,357.00Address: 3395 Mayfair Drn City: FresnoState: Ca Zip: 93703Plaintiff: State Of Ca Court Code: Ca071Court Name: Fresno County, Fresno Recorders Office Unlawful Detainer: N


Q.The first person to beat you chumps in court was Ashida Kim.

A. Personal jurisdiction Douch bag, but trust me Billy isnt going to make that mistake with you and Dux thats for sure.

Q.Hey, there is an idea! I know him. I'll bet I could get him to train you and then you could really say you trained under somebody.A. So your admitting to know Ashida Kim another grand fraud, you loser status is just getting bigger...lmfao

Q.You might have a point there, IF CREEDEN HAD SHOWED UP!!!But because Floyd knew it would be a waste of time and Creeden NEVER confirmed that he would meet Floyd. Why should he fly out there on the hope that Creeden would show?

A. You never showed up for anything in your life KILI. I showed up for Floyd webb but Floyd never showed. like you you never showed up in chicago fraud...

IPligence

IPligence

FRANK DUX IS NOT BLACK DRAGON FIGHTING SOCIETY

This is what happen when a wanna be frank dux doesnt show up for a fight he give up the name to his system to me John Creeden. All he needs to do is show up and fight for his right. he is a fraud and a fake like David Kili. I'm his grandmaster now and their nothing he can do to stop it. he just wont fight hes a fraud with no balls.

FLOYD WEBB LIE'S ONCE AGAIN CONCERNING JOHN KEEHAN STORY

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2261696#post2261696

Good night and good luck. Major duck, major fail, major troll. You won't be missed. ROFL...I have heard of all kinds of ways of ducking a fight. But this one beats them all. Truly you are the Supreme Master of Sho-Duk-Kwan, and NoShow-Fu. To be banned from Bullshido, to get declared a federal witness...wow. By the way, I am the defendant, Billy III is the plaintiff. And you set helped him set this up???What a hilarious comic ending. The time it took to ALLOW YOU to totally discredit yourself, Creeden, as a witness, as an on-line troll with ten years of badgering people was well worth it. Your comments are logged here for all to see and reference. Billy would do well to be done with the likes of you, laddie.Wow...what an ending....you really cannot make this stuff up!

FLOYD WEBB IS A LIAR AND A THIEF, HE STATES THAT I TROLLED AROUND FOR TEN YEARS. THATS JOHN PATRICIO YOU BETRAYER BOY THAT GAVE FLOYD WEBB EXCLUSIVE.

1. FLOYD WEBB AND ASHIDA KIM WAITED FOR MASTER AGUIAR TO DIE.
2. YOUR THE THIEF FLOYD WEBB
3. YOUR THE ONE WHO IS THE DEFENDANT THE ACCUSED.

AND ALL YOUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN LOGGED HERE FOR EVER..

INTERNATIONAL BDFS EXPOSED AGAIN PART 3

I'm not much of a talker. But I have to do this. I won't speak on matter pertaing to the current case at hand. But this article speak wonders of what I've been saying for some time now. First off Barron Shepperd he said for sometime that he has no affiliation with Radford Davis and their he is. Creeden has spoke of this repeately, but everyone said no your a friggin wacko their is no affiliation and no conspiracy. But their it is its all there.

And also the You-tube video which they comment on "Men in tights the person in the video is Barron Shepperd" And we all know that you can't edit a you -tube video. So Barron You busted big time. He's at 34 seconds and at 1:15
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9kxXMYq30 And Barron Shepperd is a 7th Dan come on it took me all my life to attain that rank.

And Mr Dwyer he never saw Keehan after 1970 and I have proof of that. And he wasn't at the 68 convention and I have proof of that to. Now Dwyer was their come on when did that happen. Its a good read and why would they all be together.

Look I've dealt with Ashida Kim for along time he's nothing. But being e-mailed from Barron Shepperd saying that he doesn't know him and now their together. All I can say is I told you so.

To be in the Black Dragon Fighting Society you have to have balls and my John Handcock. Which none of you have.

And Felkoff using my father diploma, look you all contacted me. I never seaked any of you out at all your all fakes and frauds.


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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 GM Doug Dwyer Seminar Master Doug Dwyer came to Florida to hold several classes for his long time student and friend Grand Master Lawrence Day. The series of classes began on Friday and lasted the entire weekend covering the original dances of death. The first to arrive of course were 7th degree black belt Joe Cayer along with several of his students including 2nd degree black belt Walter Knochenmus, Jr. grandmaster David Harris, Sensei Mike Mitchell from Fort Lauderdale. The infamous ninja master, Ashida Kim and Sensei Shakur from Mississippi along with others were the next to arrive. They all had traveled from different states to meet the man who knew John Keehan for over twenty years and trained with and ran Keehan’s classes in Chicago in the 60’s and 70’s. Dwyer was introduced to all attending by Grand Master Lawrence Day. Grand Master Day then proceeding to introduce others to each other for several minutes all were mingling and having very jovial conversation. Dwyer was introduced and mingled having conversation with everyone and after about twenty minutes the class began. It was apparent from the onset that Grand master Dwyer was in remarkable shape for a man who was 69 years of age. His punches, kicks and blocks were smooth, snappy and clean. The students that listened intently were from and eclectic array of styles either Japanese or Chinese styles some experienced in both some in just one. Some such as 7th degree black belt Joe Cayer had black belts in other styles as well as instructorship In Iaido. Sensei Barron Shepherd had several Japanese styles under his belt ranging from 2nd degree black belt to 7th degree black belt. The class ran on and then Doug Dwyer made some lovely comments to his wife who was also present and observing. He then pointed out a few things to a young woman named Lydia Cameron the only white belt in attendance. He asked Sensei Mitchell to demonstrate a couple of kicks such as the round house and side Kick which Mitchell performed with relative ease. After a few more moments of practice he then asked if anyone knew or had practiced Judo. After a few moments sensei Shepherd said he did. Master Dwyer then asked Shepherd his rank in judo and Shepherd answered he was a 2nd degree black belt. Dwyer had a little impromptu demo with Shepherd and then commented that he would like to have Shepherd demo some break falling techniques at a later date. A few more moments passed and then class was concluded. All began to mingle and have conversation again. After speaking with other members of the group Doug Dwyer and Ashida Kim spent several moments speaking. Ashida Kim was diminutive and ninja like in stature, and as Lawrence Day commented on, was in excellent shape. He was polite and some what soft spoken as he, Day and Dwyer spoke. After another twenty minutes or so all were off to a local restaurant. Once all arrived at the restaurant, Senseis Day, Dwyer and Kim sat in close proximity and spoke of the 68 democratic convention and china town. It was apparent that Ashida Kim and Doug Dwyer along with John Keehan had all been there. Dwyer then verified that Keehan and he were indeed teaching some classes there as well. Dwyer then fascinated the table of martial artists of stories from the good old days. It was apparent he and Keehan were long time running buddies with a penchant for getting up to their eyeballs in trouble and fighting their way out of it. Knochenmus, Cayer, Shepherd, Mitchell and Shakur all were chatting on the opposite side of the huge round table. It seemed that everyone in attendance were hitting it off well. Knochenmus and Shepherd spoke to each other all most the entire time sharing experiences in the military and speaking about Knochenmus' grandchildren. As the food arrived Sensei Joe Cayer said a prayer and blessed the food and conversations started again. Lydia Cameron had made a cake and all had desert. It was definitely to die for. Sensei Shepherd especially liked it and had two pieces. After dessert all leisurely strolled outside chatting and laughing then after several minutes said their good byes and agreed to meet for the next class at 8 am. Day, Cayer. Knochenmus, Shepherd, Harris and Kim all went back to Day’s hotel room and continued conversation. On the way back Shepherd was asked about his involvement with a documentary on Keehan’s life. Shepherd was jovial and then became serious. All listened as he explained his situation it was apparent he had some enemies that in his mind needed to be dealt with. The group of instructors seemed to hit it off well as the conversation lightened. They spoke of Dwyer, Keehan and made fun of common enemies. At one point one of the quests played a video he had made which consisted of some martial art group demonstrating to a sound track of a comedic Mel Brooks movie that was especially funny. Shepherd then made the comment that he got blamed for making the video and the quest that had brought it for all to see quickly apologized to him. The hilarious video proved to be a bonding moment for Shepherd and Sensei Cayer as they laughed hysterically. It was obvious both men had seen the video for the first time. Both Cayer and Shepherd seemed alot a like in the sense that both were men of conviction. Cayer a seemingly more spiritual type leader, who was hosting the seminar at his dojo the next morning was cordial, friendly and went out of his way to make all feel welcome. While Shepherd was more samurai like than spiritual. Both had as many diferences as they had in appearance. But amoungst them and the rest of the men in the room all personalites seemed to blend well. At about 10:30 pm all bid a good night and retired to their rooms. The next morning all began to arrive for the days training. Day walked in with Hall and Kim. Knochenmus walked in with Shakur and Mitchell and Shepherd walked in last and began speaking to Cayer and Knochenmus. Shepherd would be stoic and watchful one moment then jovial and charming the next. Cayer, Shepherd and Knochenmus were obviously making a joke about something only known to them and burst into laughter. Ashida Kim, Day and Dwyer spoke quietly in the corner. Sensei Harris treated a few of the guests with his Chinese acupressure techniques which included Doug Dwyer’s wife. It was the same as before all were mingling and chatting. The atmosphere was friendly and jovial. New friendships and bonds had been formed among this special group of martial artists. The class began with Dwyer instructing all were working on punches, blocking techniques and kicks with weighted hands and feet. Dwyer demonstrated some blocking techniques with Knochenmus. There were times when all would hit a move then freeze and Dwyer went thru the crowd making corrections and doing demonstrations on some. All were listening intently and doing their best to please their instructor. They continually adjusted their positions as Dwyer instructed. Dwyer would demonstrate with the weights and then put them down to execute striking techniques which were executed quickly, powerfully and accurately stopping just a hairs width from hitting Sensei Mitchell. Dwyer had captured everyone’s respect and admiration with his ability and charisma. It was understandable how he and Keehan were so close for so long. Dwyer continually came to Shepherd to do demos it was evident that these two had fast become friends and respected each others talents and abilities. Dwyer asked Shepherd to walk across the room commented that Shepherd's posture and movement was good and that of a big cat, smooth, alert and ready to move when needed to. It was apparent that all in attendance were highly skilled. Lydia Cameron performed a technique and all instructors present nodded their heads in agreement as she initiated the action correctly. At about 10:30 a couple of the guests announced they had to leave, so Dwyer ended class and began to mingle and take pictures. Dwyer and Day then presented Ashida with a rank certificate for 10th dan recognizing his contributions to the martial arts. Pictures continued, Shepherd struck with a since of humility had to be coerced to have his picture taken. He reluctantly agreed to all. An inside joke with Cayer was shared with he and Shepherd again and all burst into laughter. Cayer who was somewhat smaller than Shepherd was extremely comfortable with him and obviously had no quams about razzing Shepherd when the oppurtunity arose. Day and Shepherd were having a conversation and the rest of the group from the previous night found out that Shepherd and Day had foregone sleep and stayed up to the wee hours of the morning talking. Strong friendships had definitely been made. A group picture was then taken with Gm Doug Dwyer standing next to Kim along with Harris, Day, Mitchell and Shakur all in the back while others such as Knochenmus, Mitchell, Shepherd and Lydia seated on the floor. Several Pictures were being taken when Lydia commented on the fact that Shepherd had stopped smiling and became stoic and stern again. The two shared some banter with each other that could nt be heard and Shepherd once again smiled. Another inside joke was blurted out, more pictures were taken, and the band of brothers and one sister burst into laughter.

These are the things I and Bullshido have dealt with for years. And this is why I'm the guy.

INTERNATIONAL BDFS EXPOSED AGAIN PART 2

This is an addition to the blog were I found the article http://gendaikageryu.blogspot.com/. They just added this. Talk about back stepping. I have followed Ashida Kim and his worthless minions for years. You don't need to explain yourself your even more busted by doing this.

Their whole exzistance is based on a lie. Like Marty Cale who owns this web-site http://theblackdragonfightingsociety.com. Who is in the International BDFS http://www.blackdragon.co.za/content...ille_tennesee/

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Head of Family Douglas Dwyer - 10th Degree - Chicago Assitant Head Woody Edwell - 10th Degree - Chicago Joseph Dodaro - 8th Dgree - Chicago Victor Moore - 10th Degree - North Carolina Michael Felkoff - 10th Degree - Las Vegas Lawrence Day - 10th Degree - Florida Marty Cale - 10th Degree - Arkansas Stoffel van Vuuren - 10th Degree - South Africa John Ward - 8th Degree - Ireland Carlos Dias - 10th Degree - Puerto Rico Shihan David Haliva - 6th Degree - Israel Samuel Joseph Lonewolf - 10th Degree - Texas

I can tie it in all day long. Its ok you talked about shit that you shouldn't have talked about. This is what I expect from people like you and Kim and Shepperd dummies and frauds.

Also the story proves that it did happen, so you fail. So man up and keep your mouth shut next time.

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P.S. 11/6/2008 - It has come to my attention in my comments section, that after my article was written that someone is trying to use it on another site as a means of misrepresentation or fabrication. I feel that I need to clarify a couple of things. It was never my intent to tarnish anyone who attended the seminar or anyone else including Mr. Aguiar or have my article be used in such a way to do so. First, I never personally witnessed or heard anyone mention Mr. Aquiar's name or the BDFS for that matter.

Dwyer was a visiting an old friend and student Lawrence Day. While he was here in Florida he offered several classes during the weekend. I find it far presumptous on Mr. Aquiar's part to even suggest that this had anything to do with him, nor do I recall anyone with the name Aguiar even attending the seminar. I also find it difficult to believe people would travel hundreds of miles just to conspire against Mr. Aguiar.

Second, Mr. Shepherd was only there for two of the six classes. He arrived late friday afternoon so he didnt make Mr. Dwyer's first class but he was there for the second class and then left saturday about lunch time after the third class. Mr. Dwyer was disappointed at Shepherd's leaving and expressed it to him by wanting him to stay for one more class. Everyone else that attended stayed for the entirity of the 6 classes.

Mr. Shepherd seemed to have alot in common with a group of Shotokan karate people who were at the seminar and was mostly conversing and hanging out with them. While Dwyer, Day, Luthor and Kim who were the oldest, all in thier sixties to be exact, were hanging out together for the most part. I never witnessed what Mr. Aguair claims happened.

For Mr. Aguiar to attempt to use my article to prove a "conspiracy" as he puts it, that in all actuallity, in my presence did not happen, is complete fabrication and misuse of my article.

INTERNATIONAL BDFS EXPOSED AGAIN

No threats implied just fact, no assumptions implied just fact. Your pretty informed with what went on their, so you fail once again in back stepping. You went to eat with them and your step by step play you are defenitely in the circle of frauds.

http://gendaikageryu.blogspot.com/2008/11/threats.html

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For Mr. Aguiar to attempt to use my article to prove a "conspiracy" as he puts it, that in all actuallity, in my presence did not happen, is complete fabrication and misuse of my article.

You were their your article was quite informative. And I know what I know.

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The group of instructors seemed to hit it off well as the conversation lightened. They spoke of Dwyer, Keehan and made fun of common enemies. At one point one of the quests played a video he had made which consisted of some martial art group demonstrating to a sound track of a comedic Mel Brooks movie that was especially funny. Shepherd then made the comment that he got blamed for making the video and the quest that had brought it for all to see quickly apologized to him. The hilarious video proved to be a bonding moment for Shepherd and Sensei Cayer as they laughed hysterically. It was obvious both men had seen the video for the first time.

Its the men in tights video, so you fail again. Its self explanatory you need not go over it again.

And what threats, you helped me out by posting it, I bet you made some enemies on that side from this one. You better worry about them not me whistle blower.


http://gendaikageryu.blogspot.com/2008/11/threats.html

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Thursday, November 6, 2008
Threats
I am not a professional journalist or writer I just do some writing for a hobby. So you can imagine how surprised I was when an article of mine illicted threats from one called William Aguiar. I made no comment about him or his organization nor did I mention him in my article or hear his name mentioned when I was at the seminar.

However, Mr. Aguiar attempted to make some very broad assumptions about what went on at the seminar even though he wasn't there. Looking to read between the lines for a message to him that did not exist, except only in his mind.

Apparently the fact that I did not mention him or do a negative article on a certain group of people brings about Mr. Aguiar's threatening behavior. When I offered a post script to rebute his broad assumptions I got hit with phrases like "man up or shut up" and that "I should nt have talked" used as if he would do me bodily harm if I didnt write something that was more to his liking. He misread my post script as backing up on my statements, which not a one of my statements did I back pedal on.

See what you guys don't realize that I'm out of this. I don't really care I have
nothing to say. I'm sick and tired of the bullshit it will never end. I'm
writing a story on the other blog and all of it has checked out by people that
were their in the 60's and people have called my father and they have even came
here to see my father.

Billy is on his own, I hold no ill will. Samuel
Browning is just a lawyer and he's a tool, like the rest of Bullshido. If you
think that Bullshido represents the martial arts, then your seriously delusional
and you drink the kool aid.

So I'm a bad guy I gave my screen name to
Billy's friends so what big deal, grow up get over it. I got banned twice. I
posted once because of the UKI thing, so what. I only posted the first 15 pages
of the original thread and I got bored.

I've been talking to people who
actually knew John Keehan in Chicago and they don't seem to have a problem with
me at all. They have actually invited me to go their and train, and I will.

All of your conspiracy's about me are quite funny, if someone doesn't
agree with you it's Creeden. How immature and stupid do you guys sound. It was
all for fun for me thats all. Now your dealing with Billy and his friends. All
I'm gonna do is sit back and laugh, you guys and this situation isn't important
to me at all.

As for Billy he's a bone head who doesn't see the bigger picture, all he can see is $$$$$$$$$$ and thats all. I wanted to know what John Keehan was like, now threw grown up eyes.I see what he was up against. Because when I was a child I couldn't understand what was going on.

I am the bad guy like John Keehan and thats the way I wanted it. Evey step I go threw this is like what John Keehan went threw with the same assholes their were in Chicago in the 1960's. Billy betrayed me like Doug Dwyer did to John Keehan. The only thing I know is that I wasn't given my black belt.

TO THE HUMAN RACE, BULLSHIDO

Oh and here is a response to Jawney:

Come on man!!! You have busted balls here so much and then you give Sam shit on your blog? Firstly you censor your shit so you are a hypocrite to call Sam for a legitimate Ban... What if I want to comment on your blogg Jawney? Open your blogg up to scrutiny at the very least... its only fair.

SEcond Sam and others here have tried to give you every benefit of the doubt and you still shit on this place?

Why don't you be cooperative and use a screen name and express your perspective legitimately? Instead of slandering people, letting jerk offs use your screen name (including Billy), and other shit that you don't want to take responsability for.

Seriously, and I don't intend on alienating you but grow the fuck up and consider joining the human race, its never too late.


Okay, since I don't have regular puter access can someone provide a link to Billy's last known post so I can get his user name? Then I will talk to my fellow staff about sending a new password to the e-mail that was used to register that account.

Then if Creeden somehow starts posting a billy I will then ban Billy's reactivated account.

YOU NOW PEOPLE BETTER STOP JAWNEY LIVES AGAIN

SOMEONE CALLED MY FATHER LAST NIGHT AND THREATENED HIM, which is funny they seem to think that my fathers scared he started laughing. I know its not Floyd, but someone gonna get hurt. This little International geritol BDFS. Its really simple stop or its all out WAR. people want me to stop and their just starting.

We don't know were it came from and its no Billy either, you know breaking ball's is something. If I find out Barron had anything to do with it I'm gonna give him a pink belly and send him on his way.

Note: my attorney said if Floyd doesn't take down his slanderous shit on his blog then I'm putting all back up, he has 2 days. Some of it is already up. I want my name swiped clean off his blog. I don't care about court or lawyers. I was trying to be a quite, but the ramifications of all this shit doesn't bother me at all.

To the Judges and the Lawyers Part II

http://www.bullshido.net

From John Patricio

Of course he said absolutely ridiculous things. For example he blames Barron and I for starting trouble, yet his blog is full of things like that fake sex offender ID he created with my photo, never mind all the other false defaming lies. He even lies and says he didn't call anyones mother, yet we already know he admitted to having the "Dixie Boys" do it for him. I guess he doesn't realize that is the same thing.

Creeden, if your partner is robbing a bank and kills someone and your only involvement is that you were in the car as the get-away driver... you will still be charged with murder the same as the guy who pulled the trigger. Do you not understand that? Just because you didn't make the call yourself doesn't mean you are not guilty.

I think something may have happened to make him realize that the lawyers and judge was looking at the blog and the other forums. It sounds like he is desperately trying to clear his name in all this. Unfortunately, he has said way to much (especially here) and the judge is going to see right through his crap.

Some people just don't get it. the judge also see other things like this and Hooker killing, drug arrests, arrest records which for some of us are quite long. And opening a fraudulent blog and giving some elses property. People need to listen to others.

I've seen the error of my ways, but some people just don't learn that it works both ways. Am I listening yes I am. Some people think that their not in hot water their wrong.

Oh yes the Dixie Boys, a confederate outfit in Mississippi. They don't exzist.Well in 1861 they did. They were are rebel band of confederates. Why don't Barron go to the cops or show the phone records. Because their weren't any!!!!!!!!!! lol



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TO THE JUDGE AND THE LAWYERS

People seem to think that me and Billy are in some type of conspiracy. This is not the case at all. I don't agree with all the stuff thats going on . I'm the only one who is taking the heat. People threatening and talking smack especially from Patricio and Shepperd their the ones who have been the biggest trouble makers. One Billys best friend for 20 years and Shepperd who is related to Radford Davis and own his property , it all goes to show that both sides that if everyone stayed out of this. Then a deal between Billy and Floyd in 05 would have happened. But Patricio and Shepperd were poisoning Floyd Webb way before I was involved. I wasn't involved until 2007. And the footage that was supposely shot off a TV screen was not shot off a TV screen. It was 1st generation it was changed to Black and White for the DVD in 2001. Billy knew that when he put it out. It would be stolen and this whole situation proves it.

What I would really like is my name taken off Floyd Webb's blog .http://johnkeehan.blogspot.com/

1.This guy Timmy Cabral called Floyd a "coon" I got blamed for that. Guys I have a black uncle thats why I pulled the plug on Bullshido. And 75% of my friends are black.

2. John Patricio said on line that Billy killed hookers I got blamed for that

3. Calling Barron Shepperd mother in the middle of the night, I defintely didn't do that. I definteely want that cleared up in court. I want the phone records, facts

4. And now this Matt and UKI thing not me at all, really I can't be bothered with this circus.

They'll all say it is me, but who cares. I know what I've done and this stuff isn't me

I always wanted to work with Floyd Webb and I still do. I was the one who sought him out against Billys advice. See Billy never told me about e-mails from Shepperd stating that he bought Ashida Kim's stuff for 1000 dollars. I didn't know what this was all about. I didn't even see Billy until 2007 the last time I saw Billy was 1988. Their was alot of things going on in the school that my father didn't agree with so he left.

It goes to show that Radford Davis and Shepperd were out to screw Billy over and who ever was in their way to defraud the BDFS . I have several recorded phone calls pertaining to Shepperd and how he wanted to place my father as the head of the International BDFS that Felkoff runs now. My father smelled a rat especially when Shepperd said he never knew who Ashida kim was.

Now this is what pissed me off the slander started first with Floyd Webb's post

http://johnkeehan.blogspot.com/

The Purchased FootageJohn Creeden, Jr, a direct student of Count Dante was offered $1000.00 for footage he shot of Count Dante and he accepted that offer and was paid. The investor paid $500.00 upfont for the footage site unseen. Meanwhile, his son, John Creeden, III talked to the investor and did what he could to try to change the initial deal by adding some printed materials. The investor was disappointed in the footage because it was clearly shot from a TV screen with a video camera. Due to John Creeden III's unprofessional behavior he made a decision not to go into business with him.

Late Night Calls to 81 year old mothers?Part of the investors decision was triggered by someone making a call to the investors 81 year old mother in the middle of the night telling "your son is dead." We do not know who made the call, we levelled no accusations. But it came after a heated argument between the investor and John Creeden III who told him how long his arms could reach and his associations with the Irish Mafia in Florida. This was deleted from my blog a few days ago. But I am putting it back after seeing John Creeden III announced online I gave someone $7500.00 for images I got off of http://archive.org. He says he is going for a job in law enforcement. Go figure.

I want them to go to the authorities so we can clear this up once and for all. What I want is the phone records from Shepperd's mother phone. And then my name would be cleared and the harassment from them on-line would stop. On June 8 2007 I had a phone call from Webb stating that he said its wasn't me who called someones mother. I told Webb that no one else knows about this transaction. So he deleted a post and then I mentioned on count dante.com that Floyd gave Patricio 7500 dollars for paperwork that Patricio had for a book with Billy. This is what Shepperd told me to probably entice me into a deal. And all hell broke loose, but then patricio had their e-mails and then opened the http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/1bdfs/ were he gave Floyd Webb exclusive Flyers that no one had. Floyd states that he got it from the wayback machine. No way it is a lie.

So if Floyd can say on the 1bdfs board that Aguiar is busted. And Patricio stated that he was killing hookers, that actually involved a Rhode Island State Trooper. And Barron Shepperd stating that someone calls his so called mother{ we still don't know if the women is still alive} then we have the right to fight fire with fire so to speak.

I have started another blog http://john-keehan.blogspot.com/ were my father will tell his story about John. Considering that he ran the WKF and the BDFS for almost 19 years and was Johns personal friend. And all their legal issues back then. My father put the mail order business together with John Keehan.

Also the Bertrauix post is really the truth. The lawyers need to check these links.

1.http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/vanloo/mylewis.htm

2.http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/hallo.htm

3.http://www.soul.org/

4.http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/otoa.htm

5.http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm

6.http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/bishops.htm

I want the Judge and the Lawyers to make their own decisions. I've known about Bertrauix and Lully way before any of you ever heard of them. I'm not the only one who is on Billys side of things their are alot of people hear watching in the shadows so to speak. And some of them are coming out of the wood work now and then to disrupt the proceedings. Federal court is no joke guys.

Billy is on his own when it pertains to this whole mess. Isn't it funny that Billy hasn't said nothing or has he.

Floyd I would like to apologize for any hurt or mistrust you may have felt towards me. I really sorry for some of the thing and how they work out. Like I said call my father or a lawyer can. You would be intrested in the way things worked out. I'm done with Billy I got a cease and desist order from him to separate himself from me. I have changed the passwords to this blog so it will not happen again.

None of this would have ever happened if you didn't introduce me to Barron Shepperd and you didn't tell me that he bought Ashida Kims intelluctual property and copyright. And their a story of a e-mail coming out of Billys from me that didn't happen.

I will put information on the blog I'm running here http://john-keehan.blogspot.com/.

CONSPIRACIES

People seem to think that I'm the only one writing this blog. A couple of weeks ago I recieved a cease and desist from Billy. I could careless about all of this. But people slander people and expect nothing to happen to them and its consequences such as.

http://johnkeehan.blogspot.com

The Purchased FootageJohn Creeden, Jr, a direct student of Count Dante was offered $1000.00 for footage he shot of Count Dante and he accepted that offer and was paid. The investor paid $500.00 upfont for the footage site unseen. Meanwhile, his son, John Creeden, III talked to the investor and did what he could to try to change the initial deal by adding some printed materials. The investor was disappointed in the footage because it was clearly shot from a TV screen with a video camera. Due to John Creeden III's unprofessional behavior he made a decision not to go into business with him.

Late Night Calls to 81 year old mothers?Part of the investors decision was triggered by someone making a call to the investors 81 year old mother in the middle of the night telling "your son is dead." We do not know who made the call, we levelled no accusations. But it came after a heated argument between the investor and John Creeden III who told him how long his arms could reach and his associations with the Irish Mafia in Florida. This was deleted from my blog a few days ago. But I am putting it back after seeing John Creeden III announced online I gave someone $7500.00 for images I got off of http://archive.org. He says he is going for a job in law enforcement. Go figure.

So Floyd Webb slandered me way before people started this blog, but nobody is holding Floyd Webb accountable for his slander with out proof.

Nobody is holding Mike Felkoff accountable for the death threats that Billy got from him during several phone calls in 07.

Nor John Patricios gay porno.And him calling a Rhode Island State Trooper, threatening a child. What made him do that is beyond me.

I decided to start another blog controlled by me and me alone , http://john-keehan.blogspot.com/ were I'm gonna put all the information from my father and the mail -order business and the secret and situations involving Keehan and Chicago during the formulation of the WKF and the BDFS. The only thing I know that I'm protected by the Consitution of the United States, and freedom of speech.

Floyds lawyers if I know lawyers are probably up in arms over these posts.

THE BLOG IS RE-OPENED

I re-opened the blog because so many people were sending me messages or invites, it became a pain in the ass. I'm gonna address people separetely.

1. Floyd Webb, hey Floyd you know what went on . When Billy sent the DCMA takedown you called my father twice that day. And then I called you at home to tell you that I had nothing to do with it. But you seemed not to believe me at all. See I don't care what happens at all. I don't really care what happens with court. I really laugh at all of this John Keehan would be proud. Lawyers are like Mushrooms feed them shit and keep them in the dark.

Also your motion 114 it states you bought the footage, how the hell did that happen. Barron Shepperd in motion 8 states that he bought footage. So their is a little screw up on your part. No signatures no sale sorry.

2. Darrel Simon, The Jawney thing is funny, but the tree house thing considering were you live 6 million people in your state but only 4 last names.

3. John Patricio, John why the hell would I make up you got paid, why would I do that, how the hell would I know. Barron Shepperd told me that you were betraying Billy how would I know that Patricio. The only thing I know is this Barron was telling the truth. Maybe not the the 7500 but you got something and you came at Billy hard. Like I knew about hooker killing's and the drugs you were busted with. And how would I know about your involvement. So you think I'm clairvoinant

HELLO BOYS I'M BACK

Well in the mist of all the shit on Bullshido were people thnk I'm someone else, a lot of people wanted me to go against William III and re-open the Blog.

FRIDAY the 13th - COUNT DANTE REVEALEDMeet the Filmmaker live and direct from Federal Court in BostonFRIDAY, June 13, 7:00 pm | THE OCCULT BOOKSTORE | 1164 N Milwaukee AveFrom the late 1960’s to the early 1970’s John Keehan aka “Count Dante”was themost famous and controversial figure in the martial arts and was deeplyinvolved with “the invisible sciences” and was student of Micheael Bertiaux.Come to a PREVIEW SCREENING of the film, The Search for Count DANTE,at The Occult Bookstore, Chicago, 1164 N Milwaukee Ave, 7:00 pmFeaturing a demonstration of Count Dante's Techniques by Master Chris Pieschala

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BARRON SHEPPERD SUPPORTED ASKIDA KIM

You weren't even in these videos Barron , your fucked once again.


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Judo vs. Black Dragon Fighting Society
BY Kenn Kerr August 15, 2007
After several attempts to get John Creeden and Bill Aguair of the Black Dragon Fighting Society to accept a challenge to fight in an MMA event, Creeden, the self appointed mouthpiece for the group, yet again avoided the challenge. The event in Dover, Delaware that Creeden named as a suitable, neutral location to schedule a fight turns out to be non-existent. He lied about the event hoping that Shepherd wouldn't call his bluff; however, Shepherd is following up on every lead in order to set up this fight, so it was quickly learned that the Delaware event doesn't exist.
Instead of accepting the challenge, Creeden continuously bluffs to avoid it. His most recent attempt to avoid fighting Shepherd was sent in an email stating he would fight at the "Combat in the Cage" event in New Jersey, but to assure it doesn't happen, he added that he wanted $25,000 to fight. Does this sound familiar? For someone who hates Ashida Kim, he has definitely followed his examples. Bill Aguair has stated that John Creeden is a professional fighter with 40 fights. Shepherd agreed, and yet, Creeden added yet another stipulation in order to back out of fighting. He says that he'll only fight no rules, bare knuckle. So, as you can see, getting this "professional fighter" into the ring has become an undertaking that seems too difficult to accomplish. Shepherd will be contacting the MMA event in New Jersey to see if Creeden and Aguair have indeed contacted the promoters. In the mea ntime, the "mighty" Black Dragon Fighting Society has since blocked Shepherd's IP Address from posting another challenge on its site. It sounds like they have been called out on all their bluffs, and the "great" BDFS should from this point forward be referred to as the "Black Dragon Don't Fight Society." Shepherd has issued a challenge that he would fight the group in one of their so-called “death matches” in a Dojo in Chicago amongst Count Dante’s own people to be filmed and used in Floyd Webb’s documentary. Stay tuned for Creeden's next set of excuses and bluffs because it's apparent he is a fraud and has now been found out.
Challenge turned down once again August 12, 2007
Once again Barron Shepherd has reiterated his interest in fighting 3 members of the so-called Black Dragon Fighting Society by issuing yet another challenge to the group. And, once again that challenge went by the wayside with yet another excuse as to why the group won't do it. Shepherd worked with organizers of an event held in Kansas and the Cap caged mma event in Kentucky who agreed to put the fights on their card.
Upon learning of the event the group's mouthpiece, John Creeden, said he wanted the site of the fight to be in a neutral state. While Creeden continues to come up with new rules each time a fight is presented to him, Shepherd is disappointed at the latest turn-down because he sees Kansas as a state that is, "as neutral as it gets for both fighters." It is becoming painfully obvious that no matter the location or the date, the "Black Dragon Fighting Society" will run from this fight.
Barron Shepherd has since contacted John Creeden about setting up a fight in Dover, Delaware where Creeden has mentioned numerous times he "would" fight. Creeden said he would fight at the event in Dover, so Shepherd has taken the opportunity to ask for the contact information and will work with organizers to get the fights on the card. We'll keep you posted on the response from the group, but don't hold your breath because if history is any indication, another excuse is on the way.
INTERNET BULLIES ANSWER CHALLENGE TO FIGHT By Kenn Kerr August 8, 2007
After hearing of Barron Shepherd’s challenge to meet in a sponsored MMA event, the answer is an emphatic no. Instead of putting their money where their mouths have been for the past 3 months, Black Dragon Fighting Society ringleader, John Creeden, says he would rather fight Ashida Kim, a fighter in his 60’s. For months, John Creeden and Bill Aguiar have ruthlessly harassed Floyd Webb and Shepherd as they work to produce a documentary on the life Count Dante. After months of harassing phone calls, threatening emails and less than flattering blog postings, Shepherd issued a challenge to meet each of the bullies from Fall River, Massachusetts, in the squared circle one at a time. However, the response Shepherd received was not what he expected.
John Creeden answered the opportunity “to put up or shut up” by saying he only wanted to fight behind closed doors, and that he only wanted to fight Ashida Kim who isn’t involved in the making of the documentary at all. Shepherd will press on in an attempt to draw the two bullies out from behind the keyboard and meet in an event that will pit both Creeden and Aguiar in separate matches against Shepherd. Stay tuned for more information on any upcoming fights, and we’ll find out if the bullies come out of the shadows or stay behind closed doors like most bullies do.
Judo vs. Internet bullies
A challenge has been issued by Barron Shepherd a judo black belt to the group who call themselves the Black dragon fighting society. Members of this group have a long history of harassing people over the internet their latest subject of Internet terrorism has been Shepherd and his family thru phone calls and email. Shepherd has issued a challenge demanding to meet any three of them in the ring in separate bouts at a single mma event. The event will have media coverage as well as possible coverage in an upcoming documentary.
Harrassing phone calls and emails have been sent by Black Dragon fighting society members John Creeden and Bill Aguair for the past several months from Fallriver Ma. to Polk city and Winter Haven, Fl. along with emails to Shepherd and a business associate threatening violence to anyone affiliated with Shepherd. Shepherd is issuing the challenge to them both, in hopes that they will accept. Arrangements have been made to hold the event in one of several locations located in Florida and Chicago or possibly Biloxi, Ms.

I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE THEIR HARRASEMENT

http://pub40.bravenet.com/forum/3407321802

Its really funny that the Aguiar Busted thread is deleted, no worry It was saved , HAHAHA. Billy gonna bring you back Barron , sorry.

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Verne, might this help your finger?
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Anyone have vids of them fighting?
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My Lawyers took on Harry Potter's Momma and here is the result.
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Mugshot photo, lol
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Court Today has ended... Veryyyyyyyyy Interesting time in Federal Court in Boston today. I will not say anything. It will all come out in Justia next week. I am cool though. Gonna leave you all in suspense until it hits the public record. Aguiar does have a lawyer at last. This should make all the other deliberations easier now he has professional assistance. He has some hurdles meanwhile.
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Floyd Webb
May 9th, 2008 - 2:32 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... Someone just emailed me and asked me about the "heat being turned up." Well yeah it was. But the heat was not on me. Like I said, wait to see the Justia filings. This way no need to deal with external spin. The film is on schedule to be finished this year. I am back to fundraising with no worries. Watch my blog for some interesting news.
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mschremp
May 9th, 2008 - 3:24 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... **** It Floyd,This is worse than a Hitchcock Movie. Good LuckMike S
mschremp
May 9th, 2008 - 3:50 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... Wow, am I reading this right???Mike S
Floyd Webb
May 9th, 2008 - 4:15 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... You are...you are...
Email: fwebb@itutu.comWebsite: http://thesearchforcountdante.com/
Verne Gilbert
May 9th, 2008 - 5:12 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... Looks like a very good day in court. As suspected good wins over evil. As predicted Billy starts to pay and will continue to pay.Verne
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Floyd Webb
May 9th, 2008 - 5:38 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... I hear Creeden is wondering why no one is talking. We are all talking, just not to him. There is no reason for me to talk to or about him.
Email: fwebb@itutu.comWebsite: http://thesearchforcountdante.com/
Verne Gilbert
May 9th, 2008 - 6:09 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... FloydCongrats on the court ruling of today. Is it standard procedure for the judge to advise the plaintiff of his 5th amendment rights? To me that doesn't sound good for W.A. III.Verne
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Floyd Webb
May 9th, 2008 - 7:43 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... It will all be revealed when the case is done.
Email: fwebb@itutu.comWebsite: http://thesearchforcountdante.com/
mschremp
May 10th, 2008 - 5:40 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... If I have read this right it appears that things are about to get very serious for William. I have never heard of 5th ammendment rights being addressed in a civil case. Are criminal charges about to be filed against Aguiar???Mike S
darrell simon
May 10th, 2008 - 7:58 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... Vern and Mike you guys are legal eagles man! I understand the jist of the motion but thats about it.
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mschremp
May 10th, 2008 - 8:51 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... I've just never heard of the 5th ammendment being applied to a civil case. I thought the 5th ammendement is reserved for criminal cases but it appears that may not be true.From Wikipedia:The Fifth Amendment protects witnesses from being forced to incriminate themselves. To "plead the Fifth" is a refusal to answer a question because the response could form self incriminating evidenceFifth Amendment protections apply wherever and whenever an individual is compelled to testify. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the right against self-incrimination applies whether the witness is in Federal or state court, and whether the proceeding itself is criminal or civil.So evidently the court is definately warning William about self-incrimination of some sort.Mike S
darrell simon
May 10th, 2008 - 11:30 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... Yes. Sam's explanation was helpful on this account. That judge must be muttering to himself that he should have taken his wife's advice and retired a year ago.
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Floyd Webb
May 10th, 2008 - 11:39 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/massachusetts/madce/1:2007cv11673/111449/89/this might be a clue....
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mschremp
May 10th, 2008 - 11:56 AM
Re: Court Today has ended... For what its worth, sounds like to me they have dug themselves a hole that they are not going to be able to climb out of. Federal courts are starting to recognize the dangers of online threats and intimidation and they are acting on these threats. I really would not want to be in their shoes.Mike S
Verne Gilbert
May 10th, 2008 - 12:16 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... Well!! All I can say is that for a very long time many of us have been trying to advise certain people to be careful as to what they say and how they treat others. There are always consequences for our actions. I would suspect that this 5th amendment thing could be just the start of some very serious legal problems, (not civil court) for some.Verne
Email: sensei@kazokubudokan.comWebsite: http://www.kazokubudokan.com/
John Patricio
May 10th, 2008 - 1:10 PM
Re: Court Today has ended... Mountains of trouble in store for Aguiar... and Creeden? I have a feeling that Creeden who deems himself untouchable is going to be in for a surprise if/when the judge subpoenas him into court. I can't imagine that he is just going to ignore him much further. Creeden should just be lucky that the judge dropped the case against Barron or those phone calls to his mom would be coming up too.

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Barron
May 10, 08 - 12:35 PM
Ashida, Ashida, Ashida When all is obvious at this point that it is almost over old accusations arise again. As sanctions are placed on Aquiar it seems once again the conspiracy theory is brought back up. I have no busness relationship with Ashida Kim I do not employ him in any way shape or form nor do I or my wife have anything to do with him or his site what so ever. Ashida is neither related to me in any way as Creeden has also tried to claim in the past. Creeden yells he speaks the truth when all he has done is lie and make false accusations.Just because one of my homes is in Winter Haven a town whose population is over 30,000 in number(2006 consensus). Somehow this puts me in business with Ashida Kim. My other home in Indiana is John Cougar Mellencamp's home but does that put me in businees with him?Burt Reynolds once had a home in Winter Haven a few blocks of my home but that doesnt mean I knew him or was in business with him.Most of us live in a society that today many dont even know who lives a few houses away in our own neighborhoods. SO there again how does this make Ashida Kim a business associate. How does a over head picture of a nieghborhood which does not appear to be my neighborhood put me in businees with Ashida Kim.Again business associations with Ashida Kim do not exist in any way.I am sick of the accusations and if anymore legal action is brought against me or my wife I will start my own letigations for filing frivilous suits against me and my family. Dmca take downs: Ashida DID NOT represent me in any take downs NOR did he represent me in waving certain rights as Creeden has claimed. If there was any truth to us being in business together or that he was representing me we would still be in court.Youtube however recieved a email from me about two parties that were using either my name or likeness or my company's name and information taken from my site to thier benefit. My email simply stated that no one had permission to use me or badassfightwear.com in any way shape or form. One was using pics off my site the other was using me as an endorsement neither had my permission so BOTH partie's vids were removed.My email also stated that if they agreed to remove anything pertaining to me or badassfightwear.com that I would have no objection to them reposting the vids.Creeden's account became suspended when he refused to comply and kept posting other vids with information from Badassfightwear.com while Ashida Kim removed anything pertaining to me and reposted his vids.But rather than tell you the truth Creeden wants to continue with the charade that I am a business partner with Ashida Kim. My attorney has a copy of the email to youtube that I sent.My story from day one Has not changed. I do not have a youtube account where I post vids nor does anyone represent me that does so. There is no businees relationship with Ashida Kim or Dojopress or any of the youtube accounts that post stuff up in his behalf or anyone elses for that matter.
Verne Gilbert
May 10th, 2008 - 1:12 PM
Re: Ashida, Ashida, Ashida Hi BarronIf I were in your place I would not spent any more time on this matter. I would just give my attorney and few hundred dollars, tell him to put a stop to the slander and harassment.Verne
Email: sensei@kazokubudokan.comWebsite: http://www.kazokubudokan.com/
John Patricio
May 10th, 2008 - 1:31 PM
Re: Ashida, Ashida, Ashida Barron, this is not even worth trying to defend. That aerial view made me laugh too! Truth is considering how angry you are, I really don't understand why you haven't brought suit against both Auiar and Creeden already. Aguiar for your attorney's fees and Creeden for the threats and harassment. Unlike me, you can afford it. As far as the video footage... you paid for it, it's legally yours. Creeden needs to grasp that "signatures" are not needed to make a sale final when you buy something. People buy groceries, clothes and DVDs everyday and all they ever have to do is pay... and Creeden got paid $1,000. End of sale!
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mschremp
May 10th, 2008 - 1:44 PM
Re: Ashida, Ashida, Ashida Barron,Dont waste your time with this guy. He has posted so many lies and half truths that no one believes him anyway. If it really is bothering you that bad I agree with Vern, take him to court. I'm sure he needs more legal problems.Mike S
Barron
May 10th, 2008 - 4:03 PM
Re: Ashida, Ashida, Ashida Nothing has been forgotten and things are in the works.
Barron
May 10th, 2008 - 4:11 PM
Re: Ashida, Ashida, Ashida I am actually still waiting for Creeden, who claimed he was in Winter haven and knew where I live, to tap me on the shoulder as he said he was going to do.

FOR ALL OF FLOYD WEBBS FAGS

CHARLES O'BANNION

I'll tell you why Billy invoked his 5th Amendment plea , because Floyd Webb is trying to mix me and Billy together. What did you think you were trying to do Floyd. You got your wish Floyd now I'm involved.

1. "Get a vest and a shotgun" , Hahahahaha , thats what Dante / Keehan did when he was in the last days of his so called life . You have the balls to use that , this is a laugh.

2. "Gonna end up in a split level coffin" HHAAAAAHHHAAAAA , Thats what the O'Bannion brothers did in Chicago they owned a flowershop on the west side of Chicago , and they use to put the bodies in another coffin. So good luck with that one.

O'Banion, Charles Dion b. July 8, 1892 d. November 10, 1924Irish-American Gangster. He was the head of the North Side Gang in Chicago during the bootlegging wars of the 1920s. Until his death he was the leader of the gang that was the chief rival of the South Side Gang lead by Johnny Torrio and also included Al Capone. O'Banion ran his operation out of the Scofield Flower Co. across the street from the Holy Name Cathedral where he had once sung as a choir boy. He was brought down via a double-cross that he had perpetrated on South Side leader...[Read More] (Bio by: Selk)Cause of death: Mutliple gunshots

Good luck your gonna need it. In this so-called judgement the lawyers even says that their is no merit to the so-called threats, but they brought it to the court attention. This is all Floyd has trying to tie everybody in a scheme but it isn't gonna work. Floyd Webb has no case now , his use of the footage will be Beverly limited.